Gamut in Paintshop Pro

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Gamut in Paintshop Pro

I was wondering if anyone could explain to me how to fix out of gamut graphics in Paintshop Pro...?

I found this smiley

Thank you, Bina! I'll read through that asap.

So, to sum it up, there is not a way to fix out of gamut in PSP. That's disappointing. I swear, one of these days something is going to push me over the edge and get Photoshop. lol

I think the issue is not that PSP cannot fix gamut like PS does, but really, what does PS really do with that since it is not a piece of information that will be that useful to most users as it is not a "single setting" and it will vary based on your monitor and your printer EVEN if you have Photoshop.

EVEN if all the colors are said to be in gamut, your regular printer probably can't use them all anyway.

Did you ever compare printing an image that has some gamut issues and the same image corrected? How does it differ?

Wikipedia describes Gamut here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamut
"In color theory, the gamut of a device or process is that portion of the color space that can be represented, or reproduced. Generally, the color gamut is specified in the hue–saturation plane, as a system can usually produce colors over a wide intensity range within its color gamut; for a subtractive color system (such as used in printing), the range of intensity available in the system is for the most part meaningless without considering system-specific properties (such as the illumination of the ink)."

From what I have seen in the designers' world, it is something that has been used over and over again, but without any "good reason". Just because others have been using it.

I am not sure this detail would be worth the cost of switching to Photoshop. But it is only my (maybe unpopular) opinion.

Okay, let me ask you this... How do I even check gamut in PSP. Is there a way?

This is all so confusing for me...

I want to keep designing, but now I'm all paranoid everything I make is going to be out of gamut and therefore unusable. smiley

Who said it would be unusable?

The gamut only relates to what a PRINTER can print. You cannot know what every printer can do. If you use a super bright color, it will show differently on the printer, but will it be THAT different? That is why I was asking if you ever tried to compare a color "in gamut" and a colour "out of gamut" to see if it is even worth all that worry in the first place.

Ask someone who has Photoshop to send you two images to print, one with some "out of gamut" colors and one that has been "fixed" to be in gamut. See what difference you see (1) on your monitor and (2) when printed. Then, you can see if it is worth worrying about it.

I see it a little like the resolution: whether the resolution is 72 or 300 pixels per inch has nothing to do with the designing, since you will still work with the pixels as pixels. The result won't change.

Well, on here for the Commons, gamut check is part of the quality control. I thought I was checking gamut, but I was so far off base. Definitely doing the wrong thing. lol

I don't want to have someone check every graphic I upload or every element and paper in a kit. That would be way too much work for someone. My son has PS, but he doesn't have time to spot check every single graphic. That's an unreasonable request for anyone. lol Besides, I have no way of fixing any out of gamut graphics. My daughter-in-law has printed some layouts that I made, and they came out fine.

I don't know, sorry. I'm just a little dispirited right now at the thought of having to stop designing for other people to use.

EVEN if all the colors are said to be in gamut, your regular printer probably can't use them all anyway.

Yup.
@Christina:
Gamut is set according to the printing device. So whenever there is professional printing situation the printer person will dish out the settings that we copy paste into our settings.
'In gamut' is not an absolute value or anything like a set color. It really is the relation to the printing device. smiley My standard gamut story , you might have read it elsewhere is about a print house in Narangba QLD that I dealt with a fair bit and whenever they had a new machine my stuff was suddenly out of gamut because nobody had bothered to give me the new settings.

So in essence, Christina, you are unlikely to have a perfect setting EVEN if you check it in Photoshop. If you have an element that has some "out of gamut" colors and someone downloads it, they probably won't even know the difference except if you deal with a professional printer, and even then, YOU, as the designer, will not know what are the settings for the professional that *I* would be using.

In addition, what you see on a monitor can never be 100% accurate from what is printed because it is using a different type of "coloring".

I do wonder if that checkpoint is not a legacy of designer work when they are working for paper scrapbooking lines, therefore, they DO have to choose colors according to the settings of that particular machine, and when designers transitioned to digital, it just stayed as a "remnant" of their quality checklist.

@Bina and Carole: Okay, I think I understand now what you're saying. Thank you for explaining.

So, basically, I shouldn't worry about it? (I have a bad habit of being a worrywart.) It is what it is, type of thing. I mean, there's really no controlling it, particularly in PSP.

I am just concerned about my standing as a Commons designer. I don't want the out of gamut reports issue effecting what I can and cannot upload and stopping me from progressing to the next level.

Christina, why not ask those who set out those criteria to see how much (or how little) this would have an effect on that standing.

This kind of discussion has been around for over 10 years, and nobody came to a meaningful explanation for its use in digital scrapbooking, even Photoshop users themselves.

@Carole Cassel: Ripper. smiley I think that is the perfect explaination. Now with hybrid somewhat trending it might have some renaissance.
@Christina: Your kits are so pretty. Just keep on keeping on.

Thank you both for talking through this with me. I greatly appreciate your explanations and kind words.

For gamut that main thing is just not picking a color that is extremely out of gamut, like many neons, which will look considerably different when printed. Many people do end up printing digital graphics in photo books or at home.

Alright. Thanks, Marisa. I'll stay away from super bright colors, then.